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Triglev Barbarossa by Norsehound Triglev Barbarossa by Norsehound
トリグラフ Triglav
Triglav was a trial design for a new command battleship that would replace the Patroclus model. Though the design was sound, after the disaster of an invasion into Imperial territory production was halted, and Triglav became the only one of her kind.

Though she has more forward gun ports than even the Kulishna (80 ports v 60) are smaller (22cm) than the Patroclus design.

Originally Triglev was supposed to mount new reactors, but financial pains forced the reactors from the space carriers to be mounted instead. Nevertheless, this is more power than the standard design, so Triglev is able to fire all her batteries at full power. Her only limitation is overheating, but the fact that Triglev has three separate batteries means she can fire constantly despite overheating.

Triglev was the warship of Dusty Attenborough during his time under Yang's leadership up until the battle at Vermillion starzone. Per the treaty of Balarat, Triglev was scrapped.

バルバロッサ Barbarossa
Originally Siegfried Kircheis was supposed to get a sister ship to the Brunhild, but Admiral Kircheis declined and instead got the Barbarossa, an improved Brunhild design. It is the only flagship of the entire Imperial fleet to be painted in one color: red, to match the Admiral's hair.

Barbarossa went into battle approximately 60 times, mostly during the Lippstadt conflict where Kircheis put down small rebellions in remote regions. Before this, Kircheis fought Yang Wen-Li in one occasion and participated in the disaster at Amlitzer.

Following Kircheis' death, Barbarossa was moored permanently in birth 2 at Odin's fleet yards, a memorial to the best friend of the most powerful man in the universe.

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We can assume in this scenario that Ansbach was successful, and Reinhard died from a rocket-propelled grenade. Taking advantage of the situation, Minister Lichtenlade stirs up the imperial fleet and frames Kircheis for murdering the Kaiser. Having no other choice, the red-hared Admiral surrenders himself to Yang Wen-Li at Iserlorn, switching places with Admiral Merkatz historically.
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Darknighthawk Featured By Owner Oct 18, 2010  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I saw the RTS game Star Ruler, for all it's bugs, might be able to handle a LoGH mod, FYI ;)
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Doga-87 Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2009
A little surprised there are no Homeworld or other RTS space mods for LotGH.

No so much if there are, only I've never heard of them. Given that i don't play space RTSs...:(
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Norsehound Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2009
Given the thousands of ships present in LOGH, I don't find it surprising.

There are RTSes and board games for LOGH... nothing available stateside of course.. and accordingly no information in English on them.
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Doga-87 Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2009
Quantity, weight of numbers maybe. But design types and classes?
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Norsehound Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2009
how do you mean?
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Doga-87 Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2009
Generally a LGH battle includes *THOUSANDS* of ships. But out of those thousands, a few are the same cruiser, the same destroyer, the same frigate and one - one - customized command ship.

Not that it really matters. Since its pretty obvious that since there aren't any LGH mods floating out there that it never became popular enough in the West to be made.
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Norsehound Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2009
Even though it's thousands of ships of the same design... I don't think there's an engine out there that could simulate that many individual space ships and still deliver up-close-and-personal views... which may be what western audiences want. The LOGH games that exist don't approach that many ships either.

But for something like, say, the Homeworld engine... I think you'd reach terminal slowdown if you had that many ships in the battle.

...but how I long for a fleet simulator that could recreate such battles. I still have a conceptual boardgame, Fleets, which tackles the same concept. Ultimately I have no audience to playtest it with however...
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Doga-87 Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2009
Of course trying to do a battle of that scale on any current space RTS would give a PC a nervous breakdown, but that shouldn't stop any fan of the series with just a little talent to make the mods regradless.

Which probably means I should get off my ass and learn coding instead of bitching about it.

But then I'd still have to get into RTSs :p

But speaking of a boardgame that tries to cover that kind of scope, you ever hear of something called Renegade Legion? From a company called FASA long before they got bought up then buried by MS. They made a game called Perfect that covered everything space fleet battles to planetary invasions.
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Norsehound Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2009
I was an avid Battletech fan, so I know of FASA. I just glanced at Renegade Legion's ';prefect', and it seems to be more about planetary subjugation than large-scale fleet battles. *shrug* There were several LOGH boardgames also, which seemed to have one counter for groups of ships.

The thing about LOGH mods is that they need to have that many ships in order for it to feel like LOGH. It's why I don't think playing a board game of LOGH with the miniatures you can by from Hobbylink Japan is satisfying... because you don't have the massive ships.

If an engine WERE to impliment massive fleet battles, they'd probably be as sprites and low-poly models. I have no problem with this... but I think the "gamer audience" would DEMAND close-ups of the spaceships and graphics up-the-ass in order for it to have any appeal. Sadness...
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Valdulan Featured By Owner Sep 3, 2009
Reinhard assassinated and Kircheis forced to remain at Iserlohn Fortress under Yang's protection? We're talking a major change.

Although, wouldn't that also mean that, without Reinhard, the Empire wouldn't have attacked the Fortress for a while? In that case, the unfair and prejudiced inquisition of Yang's by Alliance elements likely would have disgusted the man to the point that Yang would have retired?
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